First Time for Serving....

A funny thing happened on the way to writing this post. It actually started out telling the tale of the second time M and R were together and therefore seemed most suited for Entering Submission. However, by the time I was mostly done writing that very long post I realized that it was more suitable for Training of submissives. So, instead of that post, which I am posting in Training of Submissives, this post is about S, M and R. It is about the third time R was with M, and while not the first time S was with M, it is the first time S completely submitted to M. What I have related in the past is actually the way it mostly was the few times S and M were together; which was with S dominating M. Neither one wanted to be with the other because I'd had intimate relationships with both of them. As you know M also had no desire in particular to be with another woman. While S did have a few fantasies they certainly didn't include M. Since S also has the ability to play the dominant convincingly, and since M prefers that the domination and punishment focus on her (because she believes that is the role I most admire and desire), it has always worked out best that way. However, there was a week when S was particularly annoying; being late and disappointing me, and I decided it would be a particularly embarrassing punishment to have her serve M. Because I knew M would not be satisfied with the purely dominant role and I had no plans to allow S the satisfaction or enjoyment of reclaiming the dominant spot, I decided that after the first day of them together we would bring R over and allow them both to serve her. So while this is not the first time S was with another woman, this is the time when she entered into submission to other women. We had discussed it previously, and she had decided to try it. She had a friend that she thought would be interested. The friend was always asking about our sex life. It was decided that she would spend an evening with the friend and they would try things on their own. If it worked out they were supposed to then be together with me. After their evening together S came back and reported things went very well. We scheduled an afternoon for all of us together, and then the friend did not show up. When S called her she said she got scared. We were never all able to connect but she was always trying to be alone again with S. Unlike M, it is possible S was interested, but this was not what she was looking for at the time and she declined the offers. Her friend said she was just too embarrassed to do these things in front of somebody. But she really enjoyed these things! We let the matter drop for quite some time until S was really pissing me off and I had been in contact with M. It was decided that S would submit to M. M did not sound overly excited or pleased about this but I told her I would try to salvage the weekend and she knew that I understood that for her that meant her being the submissive, but I had also made it clear that S would be submitting all weekend. So I'm sure she wondered what I was thinking. She didn't know that R and I had been in contact and that the next day, after S served M the way I wanted, R would come and help me dominate them both.
Part 1
S and M
As we drove to M's house I could see S was nervous. I knew it wasn't because she was going to be submitting to another woman for the first time, because she'd already tried being with another woman with her friend and it went well, and she was very good at submitting to me. I knew she wasn't thrilled sharing my attention with M, but I was quite sure she'd rather be there with M then have me there alone with M! No, the reason she was nervous is because it was daytime, early afternoon, and she was wearing a thick black leather slave collar with a large O-ring to attach a leash, wrist and ankle cuffs, and she was wearing a long overcoat that was inappropriate for the nice moderate afternoon, because underneath she was completely naked. She didn't know the layout of M's development, but I informed her that the walk from the parking space to M's front door was about 100 feet in a reasonably busy area. The distance might be accurate, I’m not so good at judging those things, but in truth M’S house was nicely at the end corner of the development, and was much more quiet than I had implied. Nevertheless, there was definitely a chance people would walk right by S and note that she was dressed and acting a little strangely. When we were just about at M’s I told S what I was thinking, that I was going to allow M to be very hard on her this weekend because I was very annoyed that not only were we so close to S’s first experience completely with another woman (instead of just being serviced by her while she dominated the other girl), but the only reason this would not be the first was because she had that little rendezvous with her friend who then didn't come through for us! The only reason I said I didn't mind her first experience happening without me is because it would facilitate her then being with that other woman with me. Since it did not work out all that happened is I missed her first experience for nothing—and it was really bugging me! S said she understood, and was as disappointed as me that things did not work out with the other woman and that she would do her best to make the weekend everything I wanted. When we arrived, as it so happened, there was no one about. S kept her coat tightly closed and wrapped around her. We got to M's door and before I knocked I slipped my hand into her coat and touched her pussy. She was wet. Being excited was going to help her enjoy the afternoon, regardless of how hard M was on her. I knocked on the door. Usually when I arrived at M I would give a special knock that would allow her to know it was me. At that point she was supposed to unlock the door and then quickly get over to the couch and get into position. Position of course meaning naked and leaning over the arm of the closer couch, her legs spread a bit and her reaching back and spreading her cheeks. She knew I would wait about 30 seconds after knocking before I would enter and she was expected to be found naked and in position unless I gave specific directives otherwise. This time was one of those where I gave her different directives. I gave a regular knock and she immediately answered the door fully clothed. I ushered S in front of me, and M stepped back to accommodate us. As soon as S was completely in the doorway and the door was closed she pushed off her coat and dropped to her knees completely naked. She reached into her coat pocket and retrieved a leash. She connected it to the O-ring on her collar and then crawled forward until she reached the couch then she stood up and bent over the arm of the couch, reached back and spread her cheeks, and waited.
M and I walked over. “So this is your slave, M. You can see she keeps her pussy nice and wet for her mistress.” M knew what I expected as we had already discussed this afternoon ahead of time. She reached out and touched S’s pussy. She stuck two fingers inside it and kept them there. “And her asshole is tight but accommodating.” I said, then she pulled the two fingers from her wet pussy and stuck them in S' asshole. I nodded to her and she removed her fingers and brought them around to S's mouth and commanded “Clean my fingers whore!” S glanced at them quickly before dutifully licking and sucking them clean. Although S had gotten much better at licking things that had been inside her or another woman she still had trouble doing it without verifying for herself that it was acceptable. That hesitation would have earned punishment from me but since M did not call her on it I decided to ignore it. Over time M, and other slaves that M was with, had been called out and punished for such hesitation and I was quite sure, while maybe not happy in this role that M would be glad to punish S especially if she gave her a good reason to do so.
“Stand up and face your mistress slave!” I commanded. S stood tall facing M, she put her hands behind her back and looked down at the floor.
“S has ;lovely nipples at the end of those firm, large breasts. They are not only excellent to punish but it is very entertaining to watch her play with her nipples and suck on them when you make her perform by playing with her pussy and asshole as well.” I said.
“I see that.” M said as she reached out and grabbed one of S’s nipples and squeezed and twisted very hard. “Do you like your mistresses harsh and demanding, bitch?” M said as she released her nipple.
“I like my mistresses however they choose to be, Mistress. I am your slave, bitch, and whore. I will do as you command and take whatever you want me to.”
“I think you should take your slave for a walk around and show her all the places that she can be punished and can serve.” I said.
“Present to me your leash, and get on your hands and knees slave.” S offered the end of the leash and after she took it S got down on her hands and knees and waited. M stepped forward and tugged on the leash and S crawled behind following her mistress wherever she took her. M walked around showing as all the pieces of furniture she could be tied over to be punished and explained the different ways she would punish her. She also showed her where M or her master could sit or lay while S serviced them. While listing all the ways S could serve us, M tried to throw in as many ways as she could to remind S that whatever went on was out of S’s control and would to the best of M's ability be things that would annoy S. For instance, she said things like: “after master fucks my pussy or my asshole you can clean his cock with your mouth, or perhaps while Master is fucking me you can kneel behind him and stick your tongue up his asshole, or, after we beat your ass until you beg for mercy, perhaps we will tie you in a position where you'll be able to see Master fuck me. If you are a good slave whore perhaps I will let you lick his cum out of my pussy.” The kind of things she would think would bother S, and they might, but S was much better than M at getting into the scene and into the mood, and I suspect S was going along with it in character and with less acting then M was able to. Interestingly it was usually difficult and embarrassing for M to say those words and speak that way, but she didn't seem to have any problem saying those things when she thought it would bother S!
M led S back to the couch and unhooked the leash and told her to get back into position. M walked over to me and asked me what I wanted her to do next. I told her in detail. She didn't look particularly happy about it but all she said was “Yes Master.” Then she walked over to the couch and sat down and called S over. “Stand in front of me slave.” M demanded. When S was standing before her naked, M said “Dance for me whore. Shake your tits and your ass for your Mistress!” S started to dance awkwardly, but soon got into it and was swaying her hips quite nicely! “Turn around and spread your cheeks and show me my slave whore’s pussy and asshole.” M demanded. S obliged. “Play with yourself bitch!” M commanded. S started to rub her pussy from underneath and when her fingers were wet she brought one to her asshole and started to rub it, soon she was using that finger to fuck her asshole. M looked a little dismayed. As I have mentioned many times she has trouble doing things like this and she seemed annoyed that it was so easy for S. M glanced at me and I nodded my head. She looked even more dismayed at what she was to do next. “Slave, turn around and face me.” M demanded as she stood up. S turned. “Undress me.” M commanded. S approached M and unbuttoned her shirt and slipped it off, then unbuttoned her jeans and slipped them down to her ankles, M leaned on S and stepped out of the jeans. Now M was standing there in panties and bra. Her bra opened it front and S opened it and slid it off her shoulders. Then she got down on her knees and lowered M’s panties and M stepped out of them. S’s face was in front of the neatly coiffed triangle of M’s pussy. “What do you think of your Mistress, slave?” I asked.
“Her body is beautiful Master, very hot.” S responded.
“What would you like to do to that pussy, whore?” I wish to serve it Master, to lick it, kiss it, and taste it. I want to eat it for hours and make my Mistress cum all over my face time and time again.”
“I see. Turn around M.” Now M’s butt was in S’s face. “What would you like to do with that nice firm, round ass?” I asked.
“I would like to kiss it, rub it, massage it and make it feel good, Master.” S said.
“Spread your cheeks M.” I demanded. “And what would you like to do to that?” I asked as S stared at M’s tight asshole. I wish to serve her asshole Master. I want to kiss it, lick it, clean it with my tongue, fuck it with my tongue, make it feel so good my Mistress’s pussy gets soaking wet!” S responded. M turned around and looked at me again, and my nod indicated that she needed to proceed and that I was not changing my mind! M sat on the couch. “Crawl to me and clean my feet, and make them feel good bitch!” M commanded. S crawled over and began to kiss M’s feet. Soon she was licking them, and she was very thorough, getting between all her toes, she massaged the foot while cleaning the toes, then finished by licking every inch of the soles of M’s feet. S decided she was done and looked up at M. M asked, “Did I tell you that you were done, slave?”
“No Mistress, I am sorry.” S said realizing she had walked into that one. She bent low to kiss M’s feet but she stopped her by saying, “Over my lap you lazy whore.” S got over M’s naked lap and M started to spank her as hard as she could. “I’ll teach you to keep serving your Mistress until she tells you to stop!” M barked. “Yes Mistress, I’m sorry.” S said, clearly not in much distress. Then M pushed her off her lap and S got on her knees on the floor. M spoke, “Our Master tells me you are inexperienced and need a lot of training. You will be serving your Mistress and I will teach you how to please me. To teach you, and also just to entertain our Master, I will do things to you also, but you will always remember your place and always do what I command and always do things correctly or the punishments will be quick and severe. Do you understand me slave?”
“Yes Mistress. I hear you and I will be your obedient slut.”
“Excellent. Now straddle my lap like you are giving me a lap dance.” S climbed on M’s lap, a knee on either side of M’s legs. S’s wet pussy was open wide right above M’s lap. M looked over at me, then reached out and grabbed both of S’s nipples and squeezed them. “You like when your Mistress hurts you slave?”
“Yes Mistress, I like whatever you do to me.” M released her nipples and said, “Kiss me slave.” S leaned forward and kissed M. Their mouths were both open but there was little passion. “Like you mean it whores!” I yelled and swung a new mini lunge whip I had bought to try this weekend. The lash fell across S and M’s shoulders. The sting seemed to remind them whose benefit they were really sitting on that couch naked for. Suddenly they were eagerly kissing like lovers. They were exploring each others’ mouth with their tongues, lightly biting or licking the others’ lips or cheeks, it was very exciting! M glanced over to me then said to S, “Now show my tits how good you can make them feel. Make my nipples tingle ‘til I feel it in my pussy because if you don’t do a good job the next punishment won’t be a little spanking. That was entertainment for our Master’s benefit. I can assure you, being a slave well trained by our Master that I know every way a slave whore can be punished and I know how much each punishment hurts!”
“I will do my best to please you Mistress. If I fail I should be punished.” S said. S bent her head down and started to tongue M’s right nipple while she brought up a hand and massaged her small and firm left breast. She worked hard with her mouth and her hands to make M’s tits feel terrific. M looked over to me and then said to S, “That was good. I will now demonstrate how I would please you if Master had ordered me to serve you.” M cupped one of S’s full tits and brought it up to her mouth and gently kissed her nipple before taking it into her mouth. She circled the aureole with her tongue and then planted kisses all over the breast while she gently squeezed it while reaching over with one of her hands and rubbing and squeezing the other nipple. “Do you like that slave?” M asked.
“Yes Mistress, thank you.” M moaned.
“Is it exciting you slut?”
“Yes Mistress.”
“Show me.” M demanded. S looked at her, contemplated a few seconds, then reached one hand between her legs, dipped her fingers into her pussy, then brought them up to show her Mistress.”
“Slave, when I tell you to clean your fingers, my fingers or our Master’s fingers, here is how I want you to do it. I know you have been trained by our Master, but it seems to me today it is my job to train you as best I can. Watch.” M started to lick and kiss S’s wet fingertips, then she brought her tongue up and down each finger, darting it in between her fingers, before finally engulfing the fingers with her entire mouth. She sucked on them and then released them. “Now slave,” M commanded, “See if your Mistress is wet.” S looked at M and paused a moment before reaching her hand down between M’s legs and inserting her fingers in M’s pussy. She pulled them out, damp and glistening. She showed them to M.
“Now slave,” M said, “clean your fingers.” This was to be S’s first taste of M’s pussy. S slowly brought her fingers to her mouth and slowly licked them just as M had demonstrated.
“Slave, what do you think of the taste of your Mistress’s pussy?” I asked.
“It’s delicious Master.” S said.
“M, now you give S another taste of your pussy.” I ordered and M reached down between her legs and touched her pussy, dipped two fingers inside and then raised her wet fingers to S’s mouth. As S cleaned her Mistress’s fingers the way she had been taught I asked her, “Does your Mistresses’ pussy taste even better from her own fingers, slave?”
“Yes Master. It tastes wonderful. Thank you Mistress for letting me taste your pussy.” As S said it M looked over to me, and then said to S, “You’re welcome slave. I think it is time for more than a taste. Now get on your hands and knees on the floor.” S climbed off her Mistress and kneeled on the floor. M connected the leash to S’s collar and began to lead her into the bedroom. I followed them in. M climbed on the bed and laid on her back while S kneeled on the floor next to the bed. M called S and told her to join her on the bed. S climbed onto the bed and knelt next to M. M grabbed S’s leash and pulled her down to kiss her. They started to kiss then M pulled her down on top of her and S laid atop M, their breasts pressed against each other, as they kissed passionately. It was a beautiful sight! M grabbed S’s face and guided it to M’s tits. S started to lick and kiss one breast then the other. She started to really work on M’s nipples. Then M pushed S off and rolled onto her stomach. “Massage me slave, and give your Mistress a tongue bath. Do it the way your Master likes to see as he will judge whether you deserve to be punished or rewarded for this.” M said.
S climbed on M’s lower back and started to massage her shoulders. After spending several minutes making her Mistress feel good, S leaned forward and started slowly licking every inch of her Mistress’ back. She leaned over and thoroughly cleaned M’s underarms with her tongue. Cleaning my underarms and giving me a tongue bath were ways that S and M both liked to submit, so I was confident S would know how to give a tongue bath to M that I would enjoy, I just was not sure if she would actually do it. But there she was, licking the armpits of a girl who until now had been the one to serve her, and only on the very rare occasion that they were together. When she finished her underarms she started to work her way down her back. I was anxious to see her get past her back but was afraid she would linger there trying to get up the nerve to move her mouth to more intimate areas, which is what I was awaiting for! Fortunately, I was mistaken. S was ready to do what was expected. She began to kiss her way down past M’s lower back then she kissed her way around M’s full, round cheeks. Soon she began to drag her tongue around M’s butt. It was a beautiful and very hot sight! S started to massage and knead M’s buttocks while still planting a few kisses on them, then finally she spread M’s cheeks, holding them spread wide and then she began to dip her face between M’s cheeks planting kisses directly on her asshole! It was very sexy watching this. Then S stuck her tongue out and started to work her tongue in and out of M’s asshole. M loves to have her ass licked and whether she wanted another woman to do it or not, it still seemed to be making an impression. Her pussy was open, swollen and soaked. I could not wait for the rest of the tongue bath! “M roll over onto your back. S serve your Mistress, eat her pussy and make her cum. I want to see her cum twice in the next 10 minutes.” M rolled over and I saw S staring at her pussy. She seemed nervous and unsure. I realized it was easy for S to give a tongue bath to M; not much going on with her tits or back, and M is very clean so her armpits and asshole were pretty tame too. Now though S had a soaking wet pussy right below her, and it was the pussy of someone she considered competition. S had only been with that other woman once, and though she said it went well enough that they had planned to do more together with me, I never got any details. Maybe they did not do everything. Maybe her friend did not get as wet as M who could get very wet, actually just like S, and nothing made M wetter than having things done to her asshole, like S was just doing with her tongue. “You heard our Master! Eat my pussy now bitch!” To which I added, “Yes, your hesitation has already assured you serious punishment. Don’t make it any worse for yourself.” S positioned herself between M’s legs and began to kiss all around her pussy just as she had done to M’s ass a few minutes ago. She seemed more at ease and whatever was inhibiting her seemed to have passed. She never told me what she was thinking at that moment, but I did try to discuss it after the weekend and she claimed to not have been hesitant, but to have been distracted by a stray thought. Perhaps something about M’s wet pussy reminded her of that other woman, or perhaps now, as she was about to have sex with a woman she was not particularly interested in, perhaps she was rethinking her choice not to have more sex with that other woman when it was offered? Whatever was on her mind, it was clearly passed as S started to kiss and lick M’s thighs, all around her pussy. S was very good at teasing and driving you crazy with her mouth. The two best mouths, tongues and throats I have ever known were M’s and S’s, without question. This was a large part of my motivation to get these two together like this, on a more equal footing than when S dominated M, to see those wonderful mouths serving each other. Though I was using M to dominate S, the difference was M was ready to do anything I wanted whereas in the past S was unsure what sexual contact she was willing to have with another woman. So even though M was the dominant one today, she knew I expected her to do many sexual things to S, under the guise of training her, demonstrating to her or rewarding her. So I was anxious to move this weekend along! I wanted to see everything I wanted to see, but I also wanted to get to the part where I was feeling both those amazing mouths all over my body!
As S was kissing around M's pussy she kept getting closer and closer to the most sensitive parts. Finally, before touching her lips or penetrating her with her tongue, she gently kissed M’s clit. I don't know if M was stolen the place where she didn't want to enjoy what S was doing to her, but if she was she was doing a bad job, because the moaning she did starting when M's lips brushed against her clit just kept getting louder and more insistent as she began to use her tongue and lips to pleasure M’s pussy. Seeing as lying between M’s legs, her face buried between her and her mouth against M’s pussy was just so hot that I climbed on the bed, pulled up on S's hips and once she got on her knees I entered her pussy in one smooth hard stroke. I fucked her from behind while she ate her Mistress M’s pussy. Each time I rammed my cock inside her pushed her face harder into the pussy. It was beautiful to watch and I grabbed S’s hair from behind. I pulled hard on it and lifted her face away from M’s pussy. “How does the whore look?” I asked M from behind S. “Her face is all wet like a whore who's been enjoying her mistresses favor.” “Excellent.” I said as I pushed her face back into M's pussy.” I held onto her head and moved it around to make sure her entire face got wet. Then I let her go to continue eating her Mistresses’ pussy. I was enjoying all of this so much I didn't feel like pointing out that 10 min. had gone by. Besides I decided to give S a bit extra time for the interruptions. It was clear S didn't know M's pussy or her reactions like I did. There were a couple of times when M was on the beginning track to an orgasm had as known and know how to run with that. If at that point she had really worked firmly and very quickly on her clit she could've propelled M to orgasm. Since she couldn't tell because she didn't have that kind of experience with M, it would've behooved her to try to figure out how to move M along based on what she knew about M. M enjoyed anal stimulation, to the point in fact that even painful anal insertions, if it was by something she wanted like my cock, made her soaking wet. Therefore she might've wanted to try pumping a couple of fingers in and out of M's asshole while she was eating her pussy. Other things that got the desired response from M were nipple clamps and tugging hard on her pubic hair while having her pussy eaten. These probably played into her submissive nature and the way she handled sexual pain. However, as she was in the dominatrix role here, it is unlikely she would've put up with nipple or any pain offered by her slave. Therefore S's best bet would've been anal stimulation while eating her pussy. But, since S did not know how to read M's reactions nor did she think what might help stimulate M, despite the excellent technique and the sexy show she was putting on for me, it was unlikely she is going to get out of this with two orgasms for her mistress and no additional punishment for her.
It was clear S’s mouth was beginning to tire. Even though M didn't seem on the precipice to orgasm, it’s funny how you never really get tired of somebody performing oral sex on you. I could see M was prepared to let S continue, but I could see S was going to need a rest. I would make sure not to use her mouth while we punished her.
I grabbed her hair again and pulled S away from M’s pussy. “First let me say you did a beautiful job. You two looked very hot which is why I had to fuck you. It's been way longer than 10 min. and we were really getting anywhere so you're going to be punished both for hesitating when you should've been diving right into your mistress’s pussy as well as failing to make her cum twice in the time I allowed. As much as I would like to eat both your pussies, I think you will learn best if your mistress trains you. After you are punished your mistress will demonstrate to you the proper way to eat her pussy. It may not make you cum, but that is not required, only that you learn how to make her cum. Afterwards you will demonstrate again on her and we'll see if you can do better. So M, how shall we punish your slave?” As soon as I asked this I could see S appeared a bit more nervous. While S could handle pretty harsh punishment she could not handle the level of pain routinely endured by M, K, or slave C (that some of you met in the other related post I put in Training of Submissives). S was close, perhaps the level right beneath and for short periods of time could handle perhaps as much of some types of pain as M. S could never handle the severe nipple pain that M has endured. S could handle as severe an ass whipping as M but not for so prolonged a period as I've beaten M's ass. I also don't think S could've handled some of the severe paddling’s I've given to M with that infamous sorority paddle that she brought to our relationship when we first started D/s. However, unbeknownst to S I did give M instructions as to the limits she could punish S. She was aware that she could not pierce her nipples, or hang more than 2 pounds of weights from each nipple, and she could not abuse S’s asshole with anything larger than she is expected to take up her own asshole. I made a list of which implements she could beat S's ass with, how long she could do it and how hard. I gave her a very limited list of whips to use on S's back. M seemed a bit annoyed when we went over this but I explained to her that she should be proud of what she can and does take for me, and know how happy and satisfied I am when we are together. I also explained to her there were many differences between submissive girls and she should be grateful for limits even though S’s seem so much more than hers. “After all M, when S dominates you, you should understand that I give her limits. She actually can take and stand much bigger things up her asshole then I would ever try on you. It didn't take her long punishing you to realize just how much she can torture you with severe anal insertions. I don't know if she would do that to you but I do know I've made it clear that she cannot, and the restrictions imposed on her were that she couldn't even use things that she could handle but rather could only use the size of things that I chose. I only limit what you can stick up her ass because I don't believe that either one of your limits should ever be tested by anyone but your Master. That is why, regardless of how severe you found other women have punished you on my behalf, I have never let allowed them to punish you as hard as I would, or you might have seen they could deliver much worse.”
“I would've taken harsher punishment for you. I know they punish me because you want them to. So you need not give them any limits unless they are limits that you would otherwise choose to impose, Master.”
“I know that slave. That's why your friend R says what an amazing slave you are, because you are indeed incredible.”
So the question was posed to M and she needed to choose. So I asked again, “How are we going to punish your bitch, M. Have you decided?”
“Yes Master, her ass should be whipped with the dressage whip and a cane. Then she should be fucked up the ass by the biggest strap-on I can find.” M answered.
Perhaps M remembered that S is not a big fan of firm straight whips like the dressage or especially a cane. She might've thought it would be particularly painful to get fucked up the ass after a harsh whipping. When speaking with M I have definitely alluded to the fact that not all slaves have the same tolerances or sensitivities, and I had made it clear that S could tolerate an ass fucking easier than M could. I never let M know that for some slaves, and many women, it was neither a punishment or particularly painful to get fucked up the ass, but I guess because of the way anal sex made her feel, her personal bias made her believe that the big strap on I was letting her use was big enough to punish S because she knew such a big cock would be a terrible punishment for herself. While I knew that technically it was potentially true that this big dildo could be a punishment to S, at least for the first few moments after the whipping, I was also pretty sure that by the end of the fucking S was liable to be enjoying herself and excited, so I suggested that S should also wear a pair of Japanese Clover clamps with one pound weights hanging from the clamps while she gets fucked up the ass, to at least ensure this was a real punishment. The clamps will hurt a bit but when the weights swing as she gets fucked she will certainly feel punished!
S’s face was still a little wet from M’s pussy. I thought about having M lick it off, which I would've enjoyed watching, but since I was using M to dominate S, but I was also making her perform sexually with S, I decided not to make her lick S’s face clean. I had M lead S on her hands and knees back out into the living room on her leash. M then tied S down over the arm of the couch as she was instructed. “M, conveniently you chose two instruments to whip this bitch's ass, and we happen to have two people who will enjoy doing it!” I swung them both through the air as I said this. “Which implement would you like and I will use the other!”
“That’s a tough choice Sir. I think I would prefer the cane because it's more painful, but then again you can wield it much more harshly than I can, so perhaps it would be a more effective punishment if I left the cane for you. But then again, I am her mistress and she disappointed me. And just because you could swing it harder doesn't mean you're in the mood to do so. I am in the mood to punish her severely. I think it should be settled--- I will take the cane and you can have the dressage whip.”
I found this most acceptable and a very logical choice, though I found some of her reasoning faulty. M knew it was rare when I had a cane in my hand that I chose to go easy on any slave, and besides the limits we discussed she had no reason to think I would go particularly easy on S now. But I particularly like the dressage whip. There’s something about its long, thin, black, swishy design that makes it appear even more ominous and cruel than it is. But it does cause a significant amount of pain and it leaves delightfully thin red stripes across a lovely pale ass.
“Who should beat our slave’s ass first?”
“You Master. You can make her ass nice and sore, and then my punishment will be even more effective and severe.”
“Sounds about right. It will be my pleasure to get her ass nice and sore for you!” I responded.
I positioned myself behind S and rubbed that lovely, firm, round ass. Then I stepped back and raised the thin black whip. I brought it down than up and down three more times very quickly. On the last stroke S cried out. Then I spoke, “S, you not only hesitated but you ended up disappointing your mistress. What sort of punishment do you think you deserve now?”
S answered, “It should be severe Master. You should hurt me. Make me beg to please my mistress. Make me beg to do a better job.”

“And so we shall slave.”
I raised and lowered the whip, bringing it across her fine ass 10 times quickly in a row before I paused. Through several strokes she moaned, groaned and cried out, but did not beg for mercy. When the strokes stopped S said, “I'm sorry I did not please you mistress. Please let me serve your pussy and make you cum. Let me taste you, and tongue you and make you feel good.” Then I raised the whip and brought it down 10 more times across her ass. She was crying out after every stroke now. Then I said, “Now it's your mistress’ turn. Beg her for what you deserve.” I commanded.
“Please beat my ass mistress, hurt my nipples and take my asshole. Make me suffer to be a better slave to you. When you're satisfied with my punishment mistress, please let me eat your pussy until I make you cum all over you bitch’s face!” S yelled out.
“I will do all that slave. I will break you of your bad habits and teach you how to serve your mistress!” M told her. Then M walked in front of her. While I beat S, M put on the strap on. It was huge, the biggest that I had yet used on M, and only when she earned the most severe punishment. I knew as S looked at it that she knew she could handle it when she was all excited, soaking wet and opened in every way, but I could see the trepidation on her face because she had to know after a severe whipping that it would take her a little while to get her head and her asshole ready for such an assault. She no doubt knew M was not going to give her that time, and that she would have to find a way to get herself back in the mood and very excited while she was having herself anally penetrated by that monster cock. It was easily as wide as M’s fist, and as long as her forearm. M was not the largest framed girl, so while formidable this cock was really not dangerous or excruciating, certainly not for S though for M it was extremely painful. M then grabbed the back of S’s head and pulled her mouth over her big fat cock. M was going to see that S gave that big strap on a nice blow job before she beat her ass and then abused it. If M thought she would make S gag on it, or somehow suffer from it, she obviously did not know that S was every bit the incredible cock sucker as M was. Soon enough M must've realized that because she pulled out of S's mouth, and got behind her with the cane. She unceremoniously brought it up and down three times, seemingly as hard as she could and as fast as she could. S cried out at the second stroke and through the third stroke, so rapidly they fell. “If I am not beating you then shouldn’t you be begging bitch?” M demanded.
“Mistress please punish your bitch, make me a better slave, and please let me serve your pussy and asshole, let me clean them, lick them, kiss them, worship and please every inch of my mistress’ body. I will take any amount of pain to taste your pussy again mistress. Please abuse my ass and asshole if only you will let me serve your pussy until I make you cum all over this bitch’s face.” As soon as S paused, M brought the cane down fiercely across S’s ass five times in quick succession. M moaned through gritted teeth, and as soon as M paused, S said, “Thank you mistress for punishing your slave.” M dropped the cane and picked up the nipple clamps and weights. She untied S’s outstretched arms so S could stand straight and give M access to her nipples. M snapped the Clover clamps on S’s nipples and she grimaced as each one bit into one of her tender nipples. Then M hung a pound weight from each clamp, and the pain this caused was evident across as S’s face. “Bend over bitch!” M said as she pushed S forward back over the arm of the couch. “Reach back and spread your cheeks, offer your asshole to your mistress’s big fat cock while you beg me to abuse your asshole.” S reached back and spread her cheeks, and also spread her legs a little, and said, “Please mistress, take your slave bitch’s asshole and abuse it with your giant cock. Ram it in me hard and deep and fuck me so roughly you shake my nipple clamps and make me scream.”
“You asked me so nicely slave it will be my pleasure to punish you.” M said as she roughly plans the big fat cock into S’s pussy. I’m sure M would've loved to just have stuck it up S’s ass before she got excited from getting fucked, but M knew that a slave's pussy was my preferred form of lubrication. Partially this was to make sure before a slave got fucked up the ass she was excited enough because she got fucked in the pussy first. There were a few times, and I believe it's been mentioned at least once in one of the blogs, where I felt the slave was so deserving of harsh punishment that I did not let them get excited first and I used another slave’s pussy to lubricate the dildo. If I was only with one slave I would've used a lubricant if that were the case, but if I had more than one another's pussy would suffice. So in this case whatever she would have preferred, M knew she needed to fuck S in the pussy first. She clearly gave it as little time as she thought I would allow before pulling out of S’s wet pussy and diving into S’s tight asshole. I watched S's face as M forced the cock in. S had her eyes tightly shut and pursed her lips and the discomfort was evident as the fat cock had penetrated her asshole. Once it was in, M immediately began to roughly and deeply fuck S up the ass. Watching S’s face, I could see what M could not from her vantage behind S’s beautiful ass, that already S was getting into it. M fucked S’s ass a long time, with S playing the part, crying “Thank you mistress for hurting my asshole. Oh mistress you’re so deep, you’re stretching my ass so terribly!” All the while wearing the pleasure across her face as much as the pleasure was written across M’s for thinking she was abusing S so harshly! However, from a particularly hard or quick thrust, the momentary pain was evident from the biting clamps and the weights tugging on S's nipples. Once her mistress was satisfied, because of some lingering inhibitions, what seemed the most distressing for S, besides the painful clamps and weights, was when M pulled the cock out of her asshole and then walked around to her face and made S lick it clean. It never mattered that she knew I would never let my slaves lick anything that was soiled or unhealthy. But unlike the earlier days, S was now well trained and submissive enough to do these humiliating tasks. Then, when S was told to stand straight, it was clear that the movement of the clamps with the weights hanging from them was very painful. M removed the weights from the clamps and then when she pulled the clamps off S’s nipples, as could not stop from moaning in pain. Then M spontaneously bent forward and began to lick and suck S's nipples. I knew she had no strong desire to do this so I assume she thought I would enjoy watching it while she knew it would deliver a good amount of pain as S’s nipples were still obviously very, very sore! I handed M a leash and she connected it to S’s collar, and S obediently got on her hands and knees and followed her mistress back into the bedroom. I sat down on the bed and had M get over my lap as I felt like spanking her, it has been a while since she been punished, and I knew despite following all of my directions, she was not satisfied unless she was the focus of the punishment and obedience. I gave her a very hard and fast spanking. When I'd led her off my lap she knew what she was to do next. She unhooked the leash from her kneeling slave’s collar and told slave S to get on the bed. “I am going to show you how to serve your mistress.” M said. She laid down next to S, and they faced each other on their sides, then M pulled S close to her and began to kiss her. While kissing her she roamed her hands all over S’s body. She rolled S onto her belly climbed on her back and began to massage and tongue bathe her. She worked her hands and mouth all over her back and shoulders and finally all over her ass. She began to work her tongue up and down between S’s cheeks. Then she began to vigorously lick and kiss S”s asshole. She was obviously working her tongue as deep as she could. Then she rolled S over. Straddled her stomach and bent and began to kiss her again. They made out like this for a few minutes, with M massaging S’s tits and squeezing her nipples, before finally beginning to kiss her way down. Soon M was kneeling between S’s spread legs. She began to lick and kiss around her pussy. Soon she was eating her pussy earnestly. While eating her pussy she reached up with her hands and began to squeeze S’s nipples. After squeezing and twisting them pretty hard, which was probably particularly rough on S who had just worn those clamps and weights, though you couldn't tell because she was very much enjoying having her pussy eaten, M took her hands from S’s nipples and soon was driving three fingers in and out of S's pussy while she sucked on her clit. When those fingers were soaking wet she rammed them into S”s asshole and started fucking her asshole with those fingers while eating her pussy and then sucking on her clit. I could see S was getting ready to cum, and I said, “M sit on S's face so while you finish demonstrating for her she can begin to show if she's learned anything.” M climbed around and sat on S's face then brought her mouth back to S’s pussy and worked three fingers back into her asshole. S began to eagerly eat M’s pussy, stopping momentarily the suck on three of her own fingers before working them in to M's asshole. She was fucking M’s asshole while eating her pussy and focusing a lot of her tongue's attention on M's clit. It was a beautiful sight indeed as they both came together at the same time. Despite the moaning and obvious climax, both slaves were well-trained enough to keep both their mouths planted on the other's pussy

until they were both done!
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How Do Subs and Doms Negotiate Limits?

I'm back. There were many work issues that came up and some summer fun issues and I was starting to wonder if anyone would notice not much was going on here. I have a decent number of readers, and that goes up when I post, but I was hoping to help some people, entertain some people, open a dialogue and meet some new friends. It was starting to feel like I was not accomplishing much. But Mel and Anonymous let me know there were people out there that were waiting for something more...so....


The short answer is definitely not when they’re tied up and helpless. Limits take negotiation except for hard and fast limits, which are non-negotiable limits set by morality, legality, pain tolerance, fears, concerns or preferences.
Now we know there should be no such thing as a no limits slave. Anyone who thinks that they don't or shouldn't have any limits needs some counseling before they continue to explore and practice S&M and D/s related activities. You can want to give up full control and you can enjoy being hurt but if you take absolutely no interest in the degree to which something harmful might be done to you, or in the actions another person might take, that is counter evolutionary and you need to rethink that. Also, if you have no preference or opinion about what you are doing---why are you doing it. D/s is to get something out of it for both of you. If only one of you gets a benefit it borders on abuse or actual slavery. Do dominants have limits? You should. The hard and fast ones like I do, such as, no children or animals in which of course I have no interest but even if you did it is deplorable and unconscionable, non-consensual, illegal and immoral. If you think about it though you probably have limits beyond legality and morality though. When it comes to, say, bathroom issues. Personally I don't find a lot appealing about urine, though I can certainly see its potential in the humiliation and punishment of a slave, but while I can think that way about piss, I absolutely won't do anything relating to scat. I don’t personally know a dominant or submissive that wants to do scat, though I have been contacted by 2 slaves, one in another state and one in another country, that wanted to be dominated by me because of things they saw or heard---but were desperate to try scat. In both situations we decided it was not necessary that we get together. Think some more, and you may agree with me where I avoid intentional bloodletting , incidental to harsh whipping and canings or severe nipple torture is a part of the scene, but I don’t take any actions specifically where bloodletting is the main activity. I get no excitement from asphyxiation related activities and I have no attraction whatsoever, in fact I have an aversion to urethral play. Those are my limits as a dominant. You can add your own and if you are truly a no limits master then I guess you should get along with everyone! So I started this by saying we should know there's no such thing as a no limits slave but do we really know that and do we understand really what limits are? I guess if we understand what limits are we understand why there really shouldn't be a no limits slave. Now in all fairness, I have written about the fact that slave M at a later point in our relationship removed any limits she had already expressed, which were actually only that she wouldn’t be with another woman, and reiterated her lack of limits in any other area. However that was in the context of a long-term relationship. As I mentioned in at least one post, when we discussed it further she said she had no limits because she trusted my emotions for her and my general care and compassion that I had shown to her and to other human being's. In other words, over time she’d come to trust that I would not do anything that would jeopardize her health, safety or well being nor cause her devastating or permanent injury, and that the worst I would do it to her was inflict pain, humiliate her or make her do unpleasant things, all of which turned her on and/ or she was willing to do to please me. This is the only area I can see a slave expressing no limits and it being an acceptable arrangement, because of the limits imposed by the relationship and the dominant already have proved to be sufficient for the submissive. Slave K was like this too. She had the highest pain tolerance of any submissive I knew, and often wanted to be tortured until bleeding. Nevertheless, she had a lot of problems finding an acceptable boyfriend because she kept finding abusive men. A “no limits” slave might have acquiesced to anyone, but K knew what she was looking for and abuse was not it and she showed more than one supposed Master the door!
I am interested in how other dominants deal with the situation when a slave wants more than you're comfortable with. I try to have some gray areas where I leave it open if the slave needs more than I'm interested in. I’ve had submissive girls that wanted their mouths used as urinals, and though I'd seen this in movies and had thought about what it would be like on occasion, I can't say that it was ever something I planned on doing or at least felt that I needed to do it. In order to help these subs experience satisfaction I will try anything that does not go against a hard and fast rule even if it held little or no interest for me. I have to say I find it difficult to urinate when I’m excited. Sometimes when it seemed too difficult, or I did not feel like “I had to go” I made the slave pee in dog bowls and lick it up themselves. I've also had slaves specifically beg for punishment that would have left their ass or breasts in worse shape than even I was interested in seeing! That’s asking for a lot of harsh punishment! I have to believe once we are together for a while that they are capable of judging when they've had enough. This happened unintentionally with M. a few times because of that heavy sorority paddle she liked to use. She bled and bruised more than I would necessarily have looked for though I have to admit being able to paddle a beautiful ass that harshly for as long as I wanted was intriguing, exciting and very satisfying. Sometimes the canes, or some cord whips, have drawn blood, and that is understandable though I will often stop at that point. However, I have had slaves who felt that, if we designated a certain number of strokes or other way to measure the punishment, that the punishment should be completed and they have insisted that the punishment be completed right then and there, bleeding or not. I believe I have related at least once about a punishment with M. that she insisted we finish despite the severity. Talking about this reminds me that I have been thinking about starting to add reviews to my blogs of other blogs, websites and especially videos. I have seen the videos of Mark E. Desade and he often draws a little blood from his real and severe beatings and he just has tissues in his hand to deal with the bleeding. I myself am not particularly looking to draw blood nor to deal with bleeding while I’m punishing. I have found that generally you can cane or paddle pretty harshly without drawing blood. Interestingly you can do a lot to nipples, including with pins, and not draw blood either. So you can punish pretty severely without ever seeing blood, and blood is not something I usually intentionally draw but unintentional bleeding is occasionally a part of severe punishment. I've been with slaves who want to be punished pretty harshly when the environment allowed us to allow them to scream loudly. Some slaves like to cry when they are being punished. I'm not real into crying, screaming is okay, most of the time those same slaves when the environment wasn't permissible, were able to just give grunts and squeals. If they need to cry and that's what they like I won't stop them or ask them not to but I do find a woman crying not appealing to me. I prefer begging, pleading, moaning, grunting and screaming. However, as I said, I will accommodate a slave who says she likes to release by crying. I would be interested in hearing from some of you what limits and rules you and your dominant have and how you like to react to the harsher punishments. I think in a post on one of the two blogs I wrote about some of the submissives I have met online that I ended up not having any kind of dealings with. One of them expressed the limit of not performing oral sex on her Master. I find this a strange limit for a submissive to have in her head as this is something a lot of people do regularly. Of course I don't want to be judgmental and I wouldn't say that anyone's limits or rules were wrong or misguided. Nevertheless, that's not somebody that I would get involved with because oral sex is something I like to have performed on me as well as perform on women and I think it's a very basic sexual habit whether I'm with someone into D/s or not. As I mentioned when I first got together with M. and we began to explore dominance and submission, her only stated limit was not to be with other women. In reality at that point we were dating and she knew me well and knew that she was comfortable with me and didn't have to worry about her safety otherwise she would've clearly needed to express more limits. I have met a few women who say they have no limits and I've noticed saying this excites them, but I knew them well enough to know they liked the sound of it more than they could ever handle the reality of it. When someone is involved with you and they trust you they can express that they don't want to have any limits because they want you to treat them how you choose to treat them because they've already come to the comfort level with you that they trust you won't go too far. If this submissive doesn't know her mistress or master very well, or in the initial contact says they have no limits, this may be exciting for them but strikes me as unsafe and this is a submissive that needs to be careful. If they had to say it to get excited that's great, but they may also be unpredictable or unstable. Be very careful if you are a dominant with someone who doesn't know you well but is willing to put their safety completely in your hands. I like to tie down slaves when I punish them, but I know that a new slave shouldn't be that interested the first few times I punish them, in being tied down and I never suggest it the first time unless we have come to know each other pretty well over time outside of D/s.. Until they know what I choose to do to them they should be careful. Even then, how do they know I wasn't just treating them lightly until I convinced them it was safe and then tied them down and then really went to town on their body possibly far more than they can take? This is why it's not enough to spend some occasions together but you really need to feel you know each other very well before you should be talking about no limits or allowing someone to bind you where you have no possibility of escape. Bondage and punishment for new slaves or slaves that are new to a relationship has to be one of the riskiest areas for them to be in, and it is incumbent upon any dominant to help educate the submissives on how to keep themselves safe when they're with someone who's not as safe and caring as they may hope. It is of utmost importance that all of you subs take great care in learning about the dominant and what they are about before you put yourself in a position you cannot get yourself out of. Of course, this is not only about bondage and punishment, but about being alone with someone who you know only casually and have now requested to hurt you, but before you get that far you need to know that they understand what you're about, what your limits are, and that they seem at least to be rational and reasonable. There is no doubt that seeking out D/s outside of a caring relationship is a risky endeavor. I can tell you the experience of a friend of mine from college that when people are misleading you it's often not just one small area. In my friend's case she was told by her new acquaintance that they were disease free and had been in very few sexual relationships. She took the guy’s word for it and had unprotected anal sex and ended up getting two different sexually transmitted diseases. One that caused her great discomfort and another one that ultimately killed her. That is the extreme end of the risks, to be sure, but unfortunately a real possibility. My point being that you should try to get to know someone very well and should you catch the dominant in some sort of lie, this should give you pause before you enter yourself into a situation you might not be able to extricate yourself from so easily. This is not to say this is a common occurrence, nor do I hear that many instances of it in the D/s community. But women get attacked in this world too often and things probably happen that we don't hear about so you need to do everything you can to keep yourself safe.
Now that we have talked about limits, let’s see how they stretch in the real world!
M. who had a great deal of trouble saying embarrassing things, (“Master, please fuck your slave’s asshole”)or doing them (fingering her asshole) always responded extremely well to humiliation as well as punishment, moved the conversation to serving in the bathroom. This must have been a fantasy she needed to try because it had to be embarrassing for her to bring up. Of course she didn't say “pee in my mouth sometime.” But instead, when she was feeling particularly submissive, would say things like “it does not seem right that you have to stop using your slave, or punishing your slave, when you have to urinate Master. It would seem to be a failing of your slave if you have to suffer the interruption.”
“Well slave, “I started, not completely clear where she was going with this, as we had seen parts of videos together where slaves were humiliated with urine, either drinking it, pissing in public, etc. but we had never discussed it and I did not feel an intense need to try it, at least not without a participant expressing a specific interest. So I continued: “You could lift the toilet seat for me I suppose, and hold my cock while I piss, but then, If you hold on to my cock I doubt I'll be able to pee.” I laughed. “Besides you don't have any practice aiming and you might get it all over the toilet.”
“I could suck your cock until you cum that will enable you to pee, Master. And if I get any on the toilet your slave knows full well how you'll make her clean it up! ” she responded. Since I had made her clean my cum off of just about everything by then (the toilet seat, the floor, out of other slave’s assholes, pussies and mouths, she knew she would be expected to lick it up!
“True.” I answered, “But you also know how long it sometimes takes me to cum. If it takes too long and I have to pee bad enough, I might accidentally follow your mouthful of cum with a mouthful of piss.”
“Master, if I fail to make you cum fast enough then that would have to be considered part of my punishment. Although, in truth, as your slave that's not necessarily a punishment so much as a service that I am quite sure other slaves are required to perform for their Masters. We have seen it performed in videos after all” She said looking down at the floor.
I thought about this and decided to test her out and see if this is indeed what she was looking for, or if she was simply testing me to see if this is what I was looking for. I reached out and pressed on her lower abdomen. It was rare that this would not make her feel the need to urinate. “Have to pee yet slave?”
“Yes master.”
“Take off your collar and crawl into the bathroom.” I commanded. She did so very quickly and I could tell she was anxious for something to happen. Given that I was looking for her to pee, and not me, I don't know exactly what she was thinking, but I never thought to ask her . I did make her take her collar off as I was not sure exactly where this would lead either, but I didn’t want anything getting on that nice leather!
In the bathroom I told her to get down and kneel on her knees in the bathtub at the far end of the tub away from the drain and faucet, but facing the drain. “Piss slave!” I demanded. I could see she began to strain and she closed her eyes and concentrated and finally a weak stream started to come out followed by a much stronger stream that shot in the air a few inches in front of her before landing in the tub and flowing towards the drain. When she was done I told her, “Now, toilet, you may clean the tub, understand bitch!” She looked up at me and then down at the tub, nodded her head,“I understand Master,” then leaned forward and brought her mouth to the tub and began to lick wherever she could see some wet droplets. She began to crawl forward and licked all the way until she got to the drain. When she was done I told her to stand up. “Spread your legs whore,” When she did so I stuck two fingers into her pussy and found it was soaking wet. I knew she hadn’t dried after urinating, but this was clearly much more than that! “Clean my fingers slave!” I said as I brought them to her mouth and she licked them clean. When she was done I told her to kneel back in the tub facing me. “There's no sense wasting time walking over to the bowl, is there toilet? Not after watching you lick your piss up, and realizing what an excellent urinal your mouth makes!” I lowered my pants and took my hard cock and started stroking it. She opened her mouth and I grabbed her head and pulled her close to me. It didn't take me long to cum and I shot my load in to her mouth pulling her mouth over my cock so none of it would spill out. She sucked out every last drop and then I pushed her away from me. “You're not allowed to keep your mouth right over my cock, that would be too easy, but for every drop of piss you miss, you will receive one stroke with your very, very heavy sorority paddle. Obviously we will have to estimate the number of drops and you can imagine I'm going to judge any dripping to be many, many drops!”
“Yes Master.” She responded. Moments later the stream began to trickle out of my cock. She tried to move her face to catch the first drops but most of it rolled down her chin. Eventually the stream got stronger and she got her mouth into position and she did not miss a drop after that. Even as the stream weakened at the end she moved her face closer and closer and finally sucked the last drops out of my cock. At that point she ignored my command not to put her mouth over it, but I found it acceptable. We both looked down at the small puddle of piss from what she missed at the beginning.
“That's got to be at least 30 or 40 drops I would say.” I said.
“I'm sure you're correct Master whatever number you come up with.”
“Could be more. To be on the safe side we’ll say 50, right toilet?”
“Yes master, your slave toilet would have to agree, 50 drops…at least.”
I told her to clean herself up, which entailed a quick shower, brushing her teeth and using mouthwash. When she was done she crawled out of the bathroom naked and got into her slave position over the arm of the couch.
“You will count each stroke slave and if you lose count we will start again. You don't have to beg for harder punishment after each stroke however, because I plan on giving you extremely hard strokes from the first one.”
“Yes Master.” She said. I tied her down, though I knew she would remain in position throughout the entire harsh punishment, and would not even try to move her ass or block the blows with her hands, I just often prefer a slave tied down when they are going to be punished. I gave her 50 hard strokes and her ass was dark red and a bit bruised and raw. Then I rammed my swollen cock up her pussy and fucked her hard and fast. When we both came I untied her and then we sat down and talked about the experience.
“I've called you toilet before as a humiliating slave name. Now the circle is complete. How did it feel to be used in that way?”
“Well, it's hard to explain.” I could see she was hesitant.
“What's the matter?” I asked.
“Well, it felt good to be used in that way, very exciting, but it was also unpleasant. I know you like me to be truthful, but I don't want you to feel bad if you really enjoyed it. It's okay if you want to keep doing it because I want to please you and it was very exciting, and I know there are women who do these things regularly, or for money so I could certainly do them for how I feel about you!”
“Yikes!” I said. “If it was that bad you should have stopped.” I said.
“But it wasn't, that's the thing, I can’t explain exactly. I was very excited but at times it was also sort of unpleasant. I have to admit I really enjoyed cleaning the bathtub after I peed, but I think I would've been even happier if you had peed in the tub. Maybe we could experiment with a few different ways but the full load coming right into my mouth with the expectation that I swallow it all was a bit much. Maybe if you peed on me and then made me swallow an occasional mouthful, because all the acts were very exciting. But don’t hold back if you enjoyed it a lot because I can handle unpleasant, and would handle unpleasant if you want me to, I want to be clear on that, but if you're wondering if it's something you want to do because I need it or like it, then we should modify if we are going to include it.”
“I think I understand. We'll see how it goes and if we ever feel the need to involve it again we will do it differently.”
So I did something I didn't feel the need to do to accommodate her desires, and she was willing to continue to do something she didn't particularly like to accommodate mine. This is why it's not only important to have flexible limits so that you can both experience what you need to and want to, and accommodate each other, but also why communication is so important. Imagine doing things for months or years and then finding out you were just doing it for each other and neither one of you was terribly into it?!”
Nipple torture Is another area where desires and limits can meet. I have given some considerable pain to slaves able and willing and indeed anxious--- to feel it. I have included a lot of that in my postings. M. did quite well with needles thrust through her nipples pinning them down to a wooden board. She also did quite well with the self tightening Clover clamps with as much as 5 pounds hanging from each nipple clamp. That was actually the worst nipple pain she said she ever experienced. She said the needles were more scary then actually painful. She said when I would make her move around and swing the heavy weights from her nipple clamps that was some of the most severe punishment she ever suffered or imagined. She said the wooden sorority paddle was similar in pain but she had imagined it would be that painful and it was easier to take on her ass. Some of the large objects I made her take up her asshole were also terribly painful, but again she had imagined that and expected it and was able to handle it most of the time. She said they were all of similar levels but she was omfortable saying that nipple torture was the single most painful. Yet I have had slaves, none who I have detailed here, that wanted severe burns and damage that I was afraid would be permanent, damaging and scarring more than they may have understood when thinking about what the implications would be years from now. I have known some women who were into trying things and didn't seem that worried about how they might reconsider their scarring in the future. They said that I think too much about such things, but I disagree. I think I think just the right amount. Such as, whenever a slave wants a tattoo or brand, I am leery because just as relationships end, minds change and preferences evolve over time, tattoos and brands may someday be very hard to eradicate or explain! I remember when I ran into slave Kayla after we were no longer involved; she showed off a tattoo that she got on her forearm. She was just starting out trying to establish herself in a pretty straight-laced career and I could not figure out why she would put it in such a visible spot. But at that point she was still pretty young and probably wasn't thinking about potential future consequences.
What is far more common and takes much more careful treading and negotiation is when your slave’s limits are significantly more limited than your desires. What do you do when your slave thinks a spanking is harsh punishment and you've been waiting to use your canes on her? When she thinks clothes pins are near intolerable and you want to use weighted clamps. How do you deal with your slave’s limits? For me, the limits are like any other sexual desires, some things you can do without and some things you can’t. Not every slave is into licking your cock or a butt plug clean after they've been up their asshole. Disappointing but I can live with that. Not every submissive girl who dreams of a spanking wants to be whipped, caned or paddled and that would be a lot harder for me to deal with. Some submissive are into pretty harsh punishment but their nipples are so sensitive they can’t take any kind of clamps. I haven't been there myself yet so I don't know how I would deal with that. I like nipple punishment but on the other hand if they can take a really severe caning or paddling of their ass we might be able to work that out! I just don’t know since I have not had to deal with that yet. Some slaves are willing to be punished but have a really difficult time doing things for their Master’s entertainment such as touching themselves. I haven't been with anyone who refused but I've been with people who needed training. Training is fun but refusal would be disappointing. Again, I would be very interested to hear from dominants and submissives about how they negotiate limits when those limits run afoul of their own desires and basic needs. Anyway, interestingly, the one limit that several submissives have stated that I was not thrilled with but I could easily deal with, was them not being with other women. I say interestingly because I have seen this limit fall by the wayside as time progressed. It hasn't fallen for every woman but I have seen it fall on more than one occasion. If any women out there have an understanding about this or a thought or even some conjecture, I would love to hear. As I have mentioned many times, my time with M. later in our relationship was just such a case. We had identified her submissiveness and my desire to dominate her, she offered herself willingly for punishment, and with training she was able to perform self stimulation as well as take my cock in any way I chose to give it to her. She made it clear she would not be doing anything with any other women. Later on, when she decided to raise her level of submission, she offered herself willingly and completely with no caveats. When she first did this I asked if she understood that she had placed no limitations on her submission. She said she understood. I have related before that she explained that she trusted my care for her and my own good sense as the only limitation she needed when it came to punishment and servitude. However, I started to point out that in the past she had stated certain limitations and if she wasn't going to restate them now I was not going to abide by them. She said she understood and that I should do whatever I wanted and trusted that I would keep her safe and healthy as well. That was our only discussion in the matter. After a while I informed her that soon I would bring her other women and I expected her to treat them very nicely. She said she understood. To help get her ready and to train her I would require her to practice begging an imaginary mistress to let her serve her and to punish her. There she would be, naked and bent over the arm of the couch reaching back and spreading her cheeks or kneeling on the floor, begging; “Please mistress let me clean your asshole with my tongue. Please mistress let me eat your pussy until you cum all over my face. Please mistress hurt my nipples. Please mistress cane and paddle my ass until I scream and beg for mercy. Please mistress torture my asshole with your big hard strap on and then fuck my mouth so I can taste your slaves ass.” And so on. It took a lot of practice and punishment to make her convincing, which I enjoyed greatly. She found it easier once we were with other women to do almost everything I just talked about. She found it more difficult to play with her pussy and asshole, or to beg to be fucked up the ass, in front of these women, then to actually service their bodies. She knew she would be punished quite severely and for an extended period of time, and by these own women's hands as well as mine, if she were to hesitate at these times, but for whatever reason she needed to do so. After incredibly harsh and drawn-out punishment, she would acquiesce to whatever I demanded or her Mistress commanded. Of course it wasn't always someone I wanted to play mistress, often I had the other women participate as another slave right alongside M. At first I found it better when M knew her place was to simply serve the other woman, instead of complicating matters by my dominating the other woman as well. Since that time you've read many posts here that have talked about M serving with, and for, other women.
That covers what I have to say about limits for this post. Let me know if any of you have anything to add!